I might get banned for this, but...

99topdawg

99topdawg

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...here's something positive about KF and Iowa Football. Sorry Jon, if this is no longer allowed. From espn.com

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Which B1G program sends most players to NFL? Answer is surprising



Iowa coach Kirk Ferentz has earned a reputation over the past 16 years for turning two-star high school prospects into solid college players -- and, apparently, also sending them on to the NFL.
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Not only have the Hawkeyes produced more draft picks than all but one Big Ten team -- they’re tied with Ohio State at 22 -- but, according to a recent breakdown of the last five draft classes, they’re also near the top of sending two-star prospects (and below) to the NFL.
Both Iowa and Wisconsin have each sent 10 such high school recruits onto the next level. But, in a lot of ways, Iowa’s streak is more impressive. Seven of those Badgers' recruits came from their home state. For Iowa, it was entirely the opposite: Only three of those recruits committed from the Hawkeye State.
Granted, Iowa doesn’t provide as much fertile recruiting territory as Wisconsin. But Ferentz’s staff found those two-star diamonds in the rough just about everywhere -- from Missouri (Christian Kirksey) to Connecticut (Amari Spievey). Iowa’s average two-star-turned-NFL-player competed more than 423 miles away from Iowa City in high school.
The fact is Ferentz just does recruiting differently, which leads to some interesting faces in the NFL draft.
BY THE NUMBERS: B1G PLAYERS DRAFTED

A look at how Big Ten programs have fared in the NFL draft over the past five years.
TEAMTOTAL1ST-ROUNDERSOFFENSEDEFENSESPECIAL TEAMS
Ohio State2237150
Iowa2239130
Wisconsin2141551
Nebraska1927111
Penn State1817110
Illinois163790
Michigan132841
Michigan St.131670
Rutgers112560
Purdue71340
Indiana60420
Maryland60420
Northwestern50320
Minnesota40130




Here are some other notes on Iowa and the Big Ten, based on our five-year NFL draft breakdown:
• Michigan State was right behind Iowa and Wisconsin in turning two-star high school recruits into NFL players with eight over the last five years, including two-star running back Le'Veon Bell. Nebraska followed with six and Penn State with five.
• The Big Ten produced more NFL defensive backs (36) and offensive linemen (36) than any other position. Wisconsin led the way with seven offensive linemen, while Nebraska had seven DBs.
• The Buckeyes sent more defensive players than any other team with 15; the Badgers produced more offensive NFL players than any other team with 15.
• When it comes to the draft, Penn State has certainly earned its "Linebacker U" moniker. It’s tied with Ohio State by producing B1G-best six NFL 'backers, including Pro Bowler NaVorro Bowman andSean Lee. No B1G team has sent more players from the front-seven (11).
• The state of Ohio produced the most B1G draft picks with 30, which equates to 16.4 percent of the 183 total conference draft selections. Ohio was followed by Florida and Illinois with 20 apiece (10.9 percent). Twenty-eight different states, along with Washington, D.C., were represented.
• Wisconsin has produced the most first-rounders with four: OT Travis Frederick (2013), OG Kevin Zeitler (2012), defensive end J.J. Watt(2011) and OT Gabe Carimi (2011). Ohio State, Illinois and Iowa are right behind with three apiece. The Badgers (Melvin Gordon) and Hawkeyes (Brandon Scherff) are virtual locks to add to their totals on Thursday night.
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This is something to be proud of and it should be used to help with recruiting. I wish NFL draft picks translated to more wins than we've seen recently.
 


99topdawg said:
...here's something positive about KF and Iowa Football. Sorry Jon, if this is no longer allowed. From espn.com

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You do know the Kirk haters will simply point out that Kirk's coaching is so bad that he has all of these NFL players and yet we can't do better than 7-6 type seasons?

Sorry to rain on your optimism parade.
 






I think this is what makes it all the more frustrating. However, missing from all of those draft picks are a lot of skill players on offense, i.e., those who can put points on the board and who in a pinch, can make a big play and keep a drive going. Iowa produces tough, disciplined, hard-working guys who fill up both sides of the line of scrimmage, and a few behind the line of scrimmage on defense, but not many of those behind the offensive LOS, the difference makers. The years they did have some (Banks, Clark, Tate, Greene, DJK (yes, he still counts), Moeaki to name a few) they had success. Just not enough of them over the years.

And, not to make excuses or to settle, but Iowa has not been horrendous over the years, but more like the Lake Wobegon children - above average. That is just not where the Hawks should be in our collective opinion. "It could be worse!" is not a very inspiring rallying cry for the Hawkeye faithful. Reading reports like this one from ESPN does not help ease that frustration, it actually makes it worse.
 


You have to admit the development is impressive. Obviously these guys don't just show up on campus ready to produce, unlike at the school Iowa tied on this list. It'd be nice to get a full four years of production (or 2-3) out of some of these guys!
 


NERD ALERT!

I actually did a quick linear regression to demonstrate why this NFL stat is just another reason to be depressed. I used number of Big10 wins over the last 4 years as the dependent variable and # of NFL draftees as the independent variable. Maryland and Rutgers were excluded. The curve fit was not real strong, but here are the results:

TEAM, Predicted Wins, Actual Wins, Difference

MSU, 15.5, 25, +9.5
OSU, 21.2, 26, +4.8
MN, 9.7, 13, +3.3
NEB, 19.3, 22, +2.7
MI, 15.5, 18, +2.5
WI 10.6, 23, +2.4
NW 10.4, 12, +1.6
PSU 18.7, 18, -0.7
PUR 11.6, 8, -3.6
IND 11.0, 6, -5.0
IA 21.2, 15, -6.2
IL 17.4, 6, -11.4

At least we did better than IL. As someone mentioned before, the number of skill position players should be a consideration. Maybe a multiple regression possibility.
 


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He doesn't get paid to send player's to the NFL. He gets paid to win games on the college level.

Kirk Ferentz = Failure
 


FCAS said:
NERD ALERT!

I actually did a quick linear regression to demonstrate why this NFL stat is just another reason to be depressed. I used number of Maryland and Rutgers were excluded. The curve fit was not real strong, but here are the results:

TEAM, Predicted Wins, Actual Wins, Difference

MSU, 15.5, 25, +9.5
OSU, 21.2, 26, +4.8
MN, 9.7, 13, +3.3
NEB, 19.3, 22, +2.7
MI, 15.5, 18, +2.5
WI 10.6, 23, +2.4
NW 10.4, 12, +1.6
PSU 18.7, 18, -0.7
PUR 11.6, 8, -3.6
IND 11.0, 6, -5.0
IA 21.2, 15, -6.2
IL 17.4, 6, -11.4

At least we did better than IL. As someone mentioned before, the number of skill position players should be a consideration. Maybe a multiple regression possibility.
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Why 4 years?

After today, I bet we have the least Big10 wins over the last 1 years as the dependent variable and # of 1st round NFL draftees as the independent variable.
 


What is interesting is that some folks, apparently, do think it is okay to send players to the NFL but for that to not translate into teams that win as many games as they should, in college. Look, Iowa sending players to the pros has been a story for awhile now. And for years we all proudly screamed this feat for all to listen. But then, we noticed something. The excitement of each season turned to Draft day so that we could console ourselves with another 1st round OL draftee. I wonder, how many NFL'ers were on the Iowa 2 deeps in 2010 when we had a 7-5 regular season?

Does anybody know how many NFL'ers it takes at Iowa to go 7-5?
 


SteveGarvey said:
You do know the Kirk haters will simply point out that Kirk's coaching is so bad that he has all of these NFL players and yet we can't do better than 7-6 type seasons?

Sorry to rain on your optimism parade.
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Is it not true?

The number of picks seems to correlate with wins for most of the teams except for Iowa and MSU.
 


ArvadaHawk said:
What is interesting is that some folks, apparently, do think it is okay to send players to the NFL but for that to not translate into teams that win as many games as they should, in college. Look, Iowa sending players to the pros has been a story for awhile now. And for years we all proudly screamed this feat for all to listen. But then, we noticed something. The excitement of each season turned to Draft day so that we could console ourselves with another 1st round OL draftee. I wonder, how many NFL'ers were on the Iowa 2 deeps in 2010 when we had a 7-5 regular season?

Does anybody know how many NFL'ers it takes at Iowa to go 7-5?
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There was probably 15+ guys that would go on to be draft picks on that team. And not just lineman, not even close.
 


It's a positive for the program...people who don't think so...should walk through the new facility. Should it translate to more wins...yes.

I think part of the issues is like this past year....sure you have two great defensive tackles, but the rest of the defense, like the LBs, perform well below that level. You also have one safety who is playing at a level way about what he should. That's why the record is what it is. For the good teams, the drop off from their great players to others isn't as steep as it is at Iowa...particularly at the skill positions.
 




WinOneThisCentury said:
It's a positive for the program...people who don't think so...should walk through the new facility. Should it translate to more wins...yes.

I think part of the issues is like this past year....sure you have two great defensive tackles, but the rest of the defense, like the LBs, perform well below that level. You also have one safety who is playing at a level way about what he should. That's why the record is what it is. For the good teams, the drop off from their great players to others isn't as steep as it is at Iowa...particularly at the skill positions.
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We not playing against good teams though.

Were losing to bad and mediocre teams.
 






ArvadaHawk said:
Career .500 against NW, 7-9 against ISU and however many losses to MAC teams (keep in mind that more than 1 loss to a MAC team is intolerable.
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A 1-2 losing record to Western Michigan if I recall correctly. Plus the losses to Central Michigan and NIU. Could be more I forgot.
 


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