Hecklinski great day

[#1DieHardHawk]

I just listened to a couple podcasts and two different dudes stated that Brown came into camp and was performing better than Heck through the first 4-5 practices. Heck's performance improved to being roughly even before kid's day, but at that point, Brown had the slight nod and he did, in fact, start with the 1s.

My take is that Brown is a really smart kid and learned the offense well and is really good during the install phase. He has it down. Heck may not be as detail oriented in that regard. But, when the bullets start to fly, Heck rises up and Brown gets nervy. It sounds like the competition has helped both guys get better. Gotta be Heck taking that first snap in a couple weeks.

It reminds me of guys in the old west that would practice their quick draw to the point where they were lightening fast and accurate, then lose in a gunfight to a slower but experienced gunslinger.

Some players need a fair amount of time to get enough confidence before they can step up to the moment. Many of them eventually do quite well, so it's not always fair to draw early conclusions, but when Brown and Hecklinski had opportunities last season, the difference was stark.

When Gronowski went out in the IU game, I vividly remember telling a friend of mine that Brown's body language and facial expressions were concerning. He then threw a poor short pass on 3rd-down and the rest is painful history. He simply looked like the last place he wanted to be was out there.

Heck, on the other hand, was the opposite. He obviously was excited and relished being out there. That drive ended in a TD, with him posing in the endzone.

Nothing against Brown whatsoever, but I question if he has that "IT" factor. CJB had it. Tate had it. Players rally around those types of guys, even when they make mistakes. I don't get the feeling that Kirk has ever embraced the importance of those intangibles - his extreme risk aversion and discomfort with anything off-script forces quarterbacks to play "not to lose." Hopefully, he'll allow Lester to get him out of his comfort zone.

 

[#1DieHardHawk]

It's impossible to know how things shake out. A QB winning the starting role one year doesn't guarantee he is the starter for the rest of his eligibility.

The coaches have to continue to recruit talented players and let them compete.

For all we know, Jimmy Sullivan or Fitz's kid is on the Tom Brady development timeline and trots out as the starter in 2028.

That's logical, absolutely, but having been around a lot of Iowa football parents the last three years, one thing has become quite apparent - parents rarely evaluate those situations logically, especially parents of highly recruited players coming out of H.S.

In fairness, sometimes it's the right call. Justin Fields realized he was going to sit behind Jake Fromm at Georgia and obviously did well at OSU.

 

[BigD]

Pretty consistent theme ranking Iowa QB(s) last in the conference. This is not going to age well, IMHO.

Is Big Ten the conference of QBs? Ranking league's starters from No. 1 to No. 18

If QB play can decide the national championship, the Big Ten looks in prime position to capture a fourth in a row for the first time in the poll era.

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I hope we can give the Big Ten defenses HECK!!! We didn't get to see much but what I did see was Heck's elusiveness and running ability. He has shown some much needed accuracy in the Spring game when given time. To be fair though usually the QB is wearing a colored jersey in the spring game that say's no hitting this guy. On the other hand both Iowa QB's are granted this same privilege.

I believe HECK will be the fan favorite if he can avoid serious injury while trying to run into the open field. Brown is slower allowing for opposing defenses to order out for lunch and wait for the food to be delivered and still tackle Brown behind the line of scrimmage.

One of my concerns will be if HECK can learn to stand in the pocket long enough to give his receivers time to run their routes. He did show a little of that last year. If our Offensive Coordinator really gets to make this decision I believe it will be HECK as an easy choice. https://dearoldgold.com/kirk-ferent...starting-qb-01m012msgmt0?page_source=v_recirc

 

[BigD]

Here is my concern. The fans overwhelming wanted Heck to win this job even before Saturday. Now, its even more fervent. Yes, the fans only have a couple data points, but they decidedly point to Heck. Fair or not, fans perceive that Brown lost us the Indiana game, and perhaps even more daunting, he just looks and feels like DeaconMcNamaPetras. We finally have weapons and a great OL, most fans want a guy who can spin the ball.

So, if KF trots Brown out there for the first series, are there some boos?????

KF should announce game week that Heck starts, but both will rotate so that the coaches can give them an evaluation under live game action.

I don't think starting Brown will bring BOOOs from the fans. This is Iowa get real.

It took a significant amount of time before fan's started to Booooo Brian F.

We are approaching over twenty years "2004" since Iowa won a Big Ten Conference title. If I remember correctly I think that was a shared title too.

Kirk has been solid and no one can deny that.

Please name any other winning power five conference team that kept the same coach for almost twenty-years without them winning a conference title for over twenty- two years. You might be able to dig one up (probably because they have been dead for over fifty years) but it is highly unlikely they will be a Big Ten team.

Now having said that I do believe we now have the right guy at the helm in Lester. The offense has been dug up out of the grave yard, removed from the casket, and is showing signs of life. It hasn't been proven fully yet but it is clear that Lester is not cut out of the same mode that our last offensive coordinator was cut out of in that Lester knows what he is doing and what it takes to win.

We may see as soon as this season if Lester will continue the Hawkeye program on an upward climb or not, but from what I have seen so far I like his approach and the level of QB's he has been recruiting. When it comes to offensive football no one can say BYU nor Boise State don't specialize in offense and getting a QB away from both of them could end up being a coup. Finger's crossed. If he can, then we are on our way as we know Parker will always be solid on the defensive side of the ball. If both of our coordinator's can do it, then Kirk can be propped up indefinitely and placed in the empty horrific offensive coordinator casket that we have all endured and stay for as long as he want's.

"Punting is winning!" needs to be replaced with "Putting is not winning at Iowa anymore."

 

[NorthKCHawk]

"Punting is winning!" needs to be replaced with "Putting is not winning at Iowa anymore."

Especially if you are 3-putting after getting on in 2. Hate that.

 

[99topdawg]

When Ferentz was asked about the Kid's Day performances of the 2 QB's.

"You knew that was going to happen. I didn't know who it would be, but you just knew something was going to happen like that," Ferentz said with a laugh. "So it was kind of entertaining because we had eight (prior) days that didn't look like that. So, everybody left the stadium (thinking) we know who it is, and that we (the coaches) are all a bunch of dumbasses if we don't realize it."

 

[Hawkfnntn]

I don't think starting Brown will bring BOOOs from the fans. This is Iowa get real.

It took a significant amount of time before fan's started to Booooo Brian F.

We are approaching over twenty years "2004" since Iowa won a Big Ten Conference title. If I remember correctly I think that was a shared title too.

Kirk has been solid and no one can deny that.

Please name any other winning power five conference team that kept the same coach for almost twenty-years without them winning a conference title for over twenty- two years. You might be able to dig one up (probably because they have been dead for over fifty years) but it is highly unlikely they will be a Big Ten team.

Now having said that I do believe we now have the right guy at the helm in Lester. The offense has been dug up out of the grave yard, removed from the casket, and is showing signs of life. It hasn't been proven fully yet but it is clear that Lester is not cut out of the same mode that our last offensive coordinator was cut out of in that Lester knows what he is doing and what it takes to win.

We may see as soon as this season if Lester will continue the Hawkeye program on an upward climb or not, but from what I have seen so far I like his approach and the level of QB's he has been recruiting. When it comes to offensive football no one can say BYU nor Boise State don't specialize in offense and getting a QB away from both of them could end up being a coup. Finger's crossed. If he can, then we are on our way as we know Parker will always be solid on the defensive side of the ball. If both of our coordinator's can do it, then Kirk can be propped up indefinitely and placed in the empty horrific offensive coordinator casket that we have all endured and stay for as long as he want's.

"Punting is winning!" needs to be replaced with "Putting is not winning at Iowa anymore."

I'd like to think they won't. But who knows. He sure wouldn't deserve it. To boo a kid that hasn't even started/played an entire game yet would be asinine. Petras got a hell of a long rope. 3 yrs worth of one. I didn't think he shoulda gotten the job going into yr 2 but I don't think he even had competition for it. So I'll be disappointed if it plays out that Iowa fans boo Brown.

Give the two QBs their fair shot to play. I'd like to think the one who plays the best against ISU is who we'll ride with. I'll be curious to what extent it'll be Lesters call or KFs though. It seems like Lester has the reigns but at the end of the day KF calls the shots so we'll see

 

[dagdaj]

I don't think starting Brown will bring BOOOs from the fans. This is Iowa get real.

Yah. I agree. But, there will be some unrest if he's either not very good....or they don't boatrace the teams they're supposed to boatrace. That stretch right after the two patsies and ISU isn't going to be easy on anyone. Players, fans, or coaches and it could get a little sketchy.

I mean, the other thing I keep reminding myself in all this is Ferentz isn't a moron. And nothing Lester's done indicates he's a moron.

I know Kirk can be loyal. That's a good thing, mostly. And I know that sometimes when he appears to be loyal to someone who ticks the right off-the-field boxes over giving the other guy the chance.....

We aren't there. We don't know jack squat other than what we've heard and what we can see. Which is....next to nothing from what he and others see for several hours every day. Kirk wants to win too. And how many times have we begged for a different QB, when the remaining option was Deacon Hill or another QB who, when given the chance later, didn't exactly light things up? That's happened for almost a half decade now, until Gronowski transferred in.

I'm good if it's Brown. I'm good if it's Hecklinski.

I'm even better knowing that one of them is going to miss time at some point this season and that the next man in (whoever that is) appears, by what we have heard, to be nearly as good as the starter.

 

[dagdaj]

Ahhhhh....dammit.
It's happening again.
It's that time.

Irrational exuberance and rose colored glasses....ENGAGE!!!!!

THIS COULD BE THE YEAR!

 

[BigD]

Ahhhhh....dammit.
It's happening again.
It's that time.

Irrational exuberance and rose colored glasses....ENGAGE!!!!!

THIS COULD BE THE YEAR!

“THIS COULD BE THE YEAR”. Why do the pains of being a Cub’s fan suddenly reoccur? “Holy Cow” Harry Carey…….. “DEEP DRIVE……… it could be, it might be……. Awe caught just before the warning track.” Harry’s eye glasses that could have passed for shot glasses, lol.

The Bear’s did it, the Cub’s did it, the Bull’s did it (multiple times). Well hell it’s time for the Iowa Hawkeye’s to do it. Not a more loyal college football team on this earth that Hawkeye fans.

We’ve earned our keep and deserve it. Not likely to be this year, but next year? Who knows it could be, it might be………

 

[SwirlinLingerie]

I was thinking earlier, what does "could be the year" mean these days?

It was always a Big Ten title and Rose Bowl when I was growing up. At some point in more recent years, it seemed to evolve into a BCS bowl.

Playoffs? That's still pretty lofty at 12 teams.

When it expands to 24 teams, what is the "could be our year" dream? Can't be just making the playoffs. Maybe advancing to the final four of the football tournament?