Or the Walmart just up the hill.
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Man, I'm thinking now we're gonna end up with dual, single threat QBs.
We stopped there too. We just wanted a little metal wire shelf. Target didn't carry them. We did a pickup at Target for some forgotten zit cream..
but figured we'd go in to return something unrelated that accidentally made the trip. Not entirely unusual to have some random Target item in the back of the SUV. My wife is in a Target so often the CEO sends her handwritten thank you notes peridocally. Place was NUTS. Like the apocalypse was coming or something.
Walmart had the shelf. It was busy, but was not absolutely freakish.
Then we thought we'd get him a basketball. He moved in early and there wasn't jack squat going on.
Thiessens FTW!
Or the Walmart just up the hill.
We stopped there too. We just wanted a little metal wire shelf. Target didn't carry them. We did a pickup at Target for some forgotten zit cream..
but figured we'd go in to return something unrelated that accidentally made the trip. Not entirely unusual to have some random Target item in the back of the SUV. My wife is in a Target so often the CEO sends her handwritten thank you notes peridocally. Place was NUTS. Like the apocalypse was coming or something.
Walmart had the shelf. It was busy, but was not absolutely freakish.
Then we thought we'd get him a basketball. He moved in early and there wasn't jack squat going on.
Thiessens FTW!
SCHawkeye2
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We're opening with NIU FFS. Why not commit to one half for #1 and one half for #2?
Maybe even a little look and experience for #3?
Maybe even a little look and experience for #3?
NorthKCHawk
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This actually suggests to me that the coaches do know it is going to be Heck, and KF is emphasizing his biggest weakness to work on---ball security. BTW, by all accounts Heck nailed that on Saturday with no picks and some smart throwaways. If Brown was the frontrunner, KF would be emphasizing pushing the ball down field more.
Gander Hawk
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I think his biggest weakness is his fuzzstache.
NorthKCHawk
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He is a squirrely looking F'er. Brown looks like he could be a model.
NorthKCHawk
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I get the thinking, but the other thing to consider is reps. Neither guy has much experience If the coaches have concluded that Heck is the guy, I am not sure you want to give a whole half of reps away. I would start Heck, give him the first 3 series, and then give Brown 1-2 series in the second quarter, but then give at least the 3rd quarter back to Heck. I would like our starter to get the majority of the reps while the game is competitive. Give the other guy an early series and then the garbage time.
Fryowa
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I would cut both my pinkies off Yazuka-style if it meant we'd have 3 years of a [healthy] Tate/Stanzi/CJB dawg to go along with a Lesterized offense.
CJB gets in the 2015 finals with Lester in lieu of Davis and the same squad.
WRs...
Tevaun Smith
Matt Vandeberg
Kittle
Henry Krieger-Coble
RBs...
Canzeri
Wadley
Daniels
D...
The Outlaw Josey Jewell
Lomax
Fisher
Desmond King
Mabin
Niemann
Bazata
Matt Nelson
Parker Hesse
Jaleel Johnson
CJB gets in the 2015 finals with Lester in lieu of Davis and the same squad.
WRs...
Tevaun Smith
Matt Vandeberg
Kittle
Henry Krieger-Coble
RBs...
Canzeri
Wadley
Daniels
D...
The Outlaw Josey Jewell
Lomax
Fisher
Desmond King
Mabin
Niemann
Bazata
Matt Nelson
Parker Hesse
Jaleel Johnson
SwirlinLingerie
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Yep, think about it. Very real chance the Hawks could have 3 years of Heck at QB and 3 years with top 3 WRs Vander Zee, James and Diaz.
You never know how things will unfold, but with the program's culture, ability to pay pretty well, and the fact those guys aren't likely first round studs, there is a chance we'll get three years of that core staying together.
NorthKCHawk
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That could really turn out to be Iowa's lane with respect to skill players in the NIL era. Undersized QB who has an NFL arm and accuracy, but won't get drafted because he is too short (Tate), and WRs that are really productive in college, but 7th rounders in the NFL. You pay them well and keep them around for three years.
#1DieHardHawk
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The wildcard in all of this is Bessinger. If Hecklinski solidifies the starting role, it's hard to see him sticking around. That would be unfortunate because he was a big get, but that's the painful reality in this new era.
NorthKCHawk
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Transferring is always a concern, but I harken back to what I say every time when it comes to QBs: what high end program could he go to where he is guaranteed a better shot at PT than he has at Iowa? There is competition everywhere, and unless he drops down a couple tiers, no one is handing the reigns to a kid who has not taken a snap since high school. He would have to show up, compete, and be the best QB on the team.
Let's assume Heck wins the job and keeps it all year. Brown likely transfers. Bessinger ascends to the back-up role and is slotted there for the next two seasons. He would still have 2 years as the starter after Heck runs out of years, and he would be one hit away from getting on the field as the backup to an undersized QB who likes to scramble.
#1DieHardHawk
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Unfortunately, players and (possibly more importantly) parents don't take the time to analyze and make a measured decision, especially with highly recruited players.
Every season there are numerous P4 programs with quarterbacks in their last year of eligibility. Knowing that you will be in the mix to earn the starting job the following season is an attractive option compared to backing up a guy that has 2-3 years of eligibility remaining. Said programs losing their quarterbacks also dangle major dollars in front of guys like Bessinger.
I hope he and his family analyze it the way you do but sadly I wouldn't count on it.
SCHawkeye2
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Agree. Double edged sword.
My recollection of the past few years was that we played #1 too far into the cupcake games. Then, when we needed #2 later in the season due to an injury to #1, we brought out players with little to no experience like Brown, Sullivan, Labas, et al in often crucial game situations - with disappointing results.
Does Brown with more reps make The Throw against Indiana ?
Perhaps a different approach this year?
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SCHawkeye2
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Yep -- that's a talented roster.
Let me be the first to pump the brakes on Mr. Bessinger.
From what we saw of him last Saturday, at this point he's likely sitting #5 on the depth chart. Granted, he's been on campus only a couple months. Will he be better after being 'in the system' for a year or so? Sure. But it's not a slam-dunk that his h.s. ability will transfer to the BTen. Petras and probably 100 or so other 4-star QBs over the years come to mind...
NorthKCHawk
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He's getting good buzz, but agreed that he is still figuring out where the chow line is. We can worry about Bessinger next year or whenever. Right now, we have one of the most talented skills group we have had in a decade or longer, and a really good OL. We need one of the two upperclassmen QBs to emerge as at least an efficient game manager. #Heck4Life
SwirlinLingerie
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It's impossible to know how things shake out. A QB winning the starting role one year doesn't guarantee he is the starter for the rest of his eligibility.
The coaches have to continue to recruit talented players and let them compete.
For all we know, Jimmy Sullivan or Fitz's kid is on the Tom Brady development timeline and trots out as the starter in 2028.
The coaches have to continue to recruit talented players and let them compete.
For all we know, Jimmy Sullivan or Fitz's kid is on the Tom Brady development timeline and trots out as the starter in 2028.
NorthKCHawk
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I just listened to a couple podcasts and two different dudes stated that Brown came into camp and was performing better than Heck through the first 4-5 practices. Heck's performance improved to being roughly even before kid's day, but at that point, Brown had the slight nod and he did, in fact, start with the 1s.
My take is that Brown is a really smart kid and learned the offense well and is really good during the install phase. He has it down. Heck may not be as detail oriented in that regard. But, when the bullets start to fly, Heck rises up and Brown gets nervy. It sounds like the competition has helped both guys get better. Gotta be Heck taking that first snap in a couple weeks.
My take is that Brown is a really smart kid and learned the offense well and is really good during the install phase. He has it down. Heck may not be as detail oriented in that regard. But, when the bullets start to fly, Heck rises up and Brown gets nervy. It sounds like the competition has helped both guys get better. Gotta be Heck taking that first snap in a couple weeks.
