Countdown – 15 Most Indispensable Hawkeyes for 2017 – No. 13
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GesterHawk
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I have given this a lot of thought, and I am not sure Stanley actually beat out Wiegers last year. In 2015 Wiegers had the opportunity to take far more snaps as QB1 in practice than the average back up due to Beathard's health. This let the coaches know fairly well what they had in Wiegers. Last year Stanley comes to campus and shows enough to make this year's QB hunt interesting, but the coaches still wanted to see more. So they make Stanley QB2 allowing him to work more with the first and second string offense while Wiegers mentors the 3rd string offense. This also allowed Stanley more reps as QB1 in practice due to Beathard's health. Now they came into this spring on fairly even footing allowing for a true QB competition.
Ok, I will admit it is a bit of a strech even for crazy fam theories, but I wouldn't put it past the coaches to have used last year to develop for the long haul, because that is what these coaches do, develop players for the long haul.
Ok, I will admit it is a bit of a strech even for crazy fam theories, but I wouldn't put it past the coaches to have used last year to develop for the long haul, because that is what these coaches do, develop players for the long haul.
The timing was perfect to brink in KOK as a dedicated QB coach to bring these guys along. I'm sure we will see both of them get plenty of reps in the first 3 games that will determine who finally emerges for B1G play. The competition we had between Rudock and Beathard made them both better in the long run. I see the same thing happening with these two.
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MelroseHawkins
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Ironically, some of KF's best teams had first year starting QB's, Banks, Chandler, Tate and even Stanzy. In Ferentz's system, the QB doesn't seem to be a major part but a good game manager and limiting turnovers. He merely has to take care of the ball and distribute the ball. They often aren't required to make spectacular plays, ala Michael Vick, Vince Young, etc.. Banks prob could be in this group with his added running ability. He got out of a lot of 3rd and 8's.
Just a regular solid drop back QB that can do play action.
Just a regular solid drop back QB that can do play action.
guffus
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I have thought about this. One theory I have is most coaches tell first year starters to tuck and run if it is not obvious where to throw. Most staters are the most healthy in their first year, so they are most mobile in their first year. By their last year, QB's are getting sacked more or throwing incompletions when they could have just run for the first down.
I guess I can see the indispensable part being a lower ranking just due to the fact there are two of them. If one goes or falters there's another one there so hence not as indispensable.... But normally that's not the case with Qbs. The not knowing about what either of their ceilings is probably is what makes this so tough to gauge. It appears that expectations aren't very high for either of them based off of spring and lack of experience at WR but ya just never know... With a running game like they'll have it should make the QBs job a whole lot easier.
guffus
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This pattern of listing 2 combined players as indisepensable is just strange. Sure if you lose the top 2 players on the depth chart, you are probably going to have problems. But if you just lose 1 guy, sounds like there is not a big difference between the first guy and the second guy.
OK, i guess thats why they are listed at the bottom of the "top" 15 list. But if wadley and Butler end up being listed as co #1, then I will definitely accuse you of missing the point of the list.
OK, i guess thats why they are listed at the bottom of the "top" 15 list. But if wadley and Butler end up being listed as co #1, then I will definitely accuse you of missing the point of the list.
I bet it'll be Jewel at 1. Maybe Daniels? I don't want to lose either one of them for a snap they should be out there for...
RobHowe
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I pretty much lack direction.
The combo with the fullbacks is pretty standard, actually. Iowa seems to have gone to the tandem fullback system, which lessons the pounding they take (and give out).
A true QB competition (if that's what it is) heading into camp is rare around here. It's probably the most unsettled it's been around here since KF's first two years. We had the three-headed monster of McCann-Mullen-Reiners in '99 and Mullen-McCann-Beutjer in '00. Then we had the Beutjer drama before '01.
I'm interested to see how it shakes out.
I am too. The ceiling of this team will be directly tied to how well whichever QB gets the gig. We all agree the running game should be great. Add a potent passing game (heck just a competent one) and the running game should be unstoppable making the offense a really tough one to prepare for.I pretty much lack direction.
The combo with the fullbacks is pretty standard, actually. Iowa seems to have gone to the tandem fullback system, which lessons the pounding they take (and give out).
A true QB competition (if that's what it is) heading into camp is rare around here. It's probably the most unsettled it's been around here since KF's first two years. We had the three-headed monster of McCann-Mullen-Reiners in '99 and Mullen-McCann-Beutjer in '00. Then we had the Beutjer drama before '01.
I'm interested to see how it shakes out.
MelroseHawkins
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I pretty much lack direction.
The combo with the fullbacks is pretty standard, actually. Iowa seems to have gone to the tandem fullback system, which lessons the pounding they take (and give out).
A true QB competition (if that's what it is) heading into camp is rare around here. It's probably the most unsettled it's been around here since KF's first two years. We had the three-headed monster of McCann-Mullen-Reiners in '99 and Mullen-McCann-Beutjer in '00. Then we had the Beutjer drama before '01.
I'm interested to see how it shakes out.
Well, then Iowa had Christensen and Stanzi, then Rudock and Beathard. I don't think it's as rare around here as many of us think.
MelroseHawkins
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Not necessarily. This is where and how huge the Butler to Iowa is. If the line plays up to their expectations and being veterans and you now have two outstanding formidable RB's that can hold onto the ball and move the chains on the ground, it will make whoever is in there successful if their competition is that close. If the RB's are averaging 5-6 yrds a carry, they will move the chains, playing into the field position and time of possession game. This will also open up the play action making them successful thru the air.
The success of this year is on the O-line and how consistent they are, especially pass protect when needed. If the O-line is successful, these two elusive RB's will get their yards and have an outstanding year, ala the Shonn Greene year. Not that Greene was elusive but he ended up having a lot of yards and many over 10 yrd runs, usually blowing up a safety on the way.
I think and I might be wrong is what Rob was referring to was that the QB competition is between two guys that haven't hardly played at all prior to playing. The JC/Stanzi one only became one after JC stunk it up most of the season and had to be yanked. JR and CJ only started because of how the coaches kept putting CJ in games at random times that made no sense it seemed like. It wasn't that they didn't pick a starter to start the season because they had. Right now we don't seem to have a clue who's starting game 1. For both those other cases they did. ..
RobHowe
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Christensen was the clear cut starter going into '08. Stanzi didn't overtake him until after the Pitt game.
Rudock was the clear starter going into '14.
From what we can tell, this is a dead heat going into camp. Around here, that's rare.
MelroseHawkins
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Ok. I see what you guys mean.
guffus
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Actually it feels more similar to 2013 when it was an open competition between Rudock, Beathard and Sokol. None of the 3 QB's had taken a snap at Iowa prior to 2013.
Rudock had the most time in the Iowa system before 2013, 2 years. Beathard and Sokol both had 1 redshirt year.
Rudock had the most time in the Iowa system before 2013, 2 years. Beathard and Sokol both had 1 redshirt year.
No disagreement from me that the Oline play will be the lynchpin of it all. With 4 returning starters with the hype and acclaim they've been showered with I'm just assuming they'll dominate and do their part in the running game. But as you mentioned in the pass protection side of things strides are needed compared to last yr for sure.
I just think regardless of how good the RBs and Oline is against good competition that desides to stack the box they can make it tough to run... Wadley made a good Michigan D look silly. However Florida and PSU totally shut us down. I think a competent passing attack could have alleviated that from happening...That's my angle on it.
IndianaHawk
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I agree. I just wonder how many games we'll go until a true starter is determined.
