Chad Leistikow interview with KF

[Hawkfnntn]

I guess he just had a 1 on 1 with him and teased a part of it discussing NIL of course. And ole KF mentioned via a quote that he approves of a model of NIL where each player receives the same amount of $.....

Where do we even want to start with a quote like that. Just no no no no. That's not what NIL is. It's not to be some pacifying thing to keep the players happy or some shit. This isn't some socialistic experiment where everyone gets the same kind and amount of cookies. This is a right that the players (all college students frankly) each all have to make as much as they all can. Not to be restricted or capped or have to share or any of that. I can't believe this far into it that'd be something he'd bellow out publicly.

I haven't seen or heard the interview but I would think the follow up Q to his answer should have been then why don't all his assistants and staff make the same amount of $ top to bottom then? Whoever cleans the toilets and the equipment guys should all be making what BF and Phil Parker make right? If that's the mindset he's got how is that not the case?

What's so hard about embracing what NIL actually is instead of trying to keep holding down these guys at every turn. It's not life is at any other point is it? Why the hell should it be different for a handful of years in college? It shouldn't be and that's why the Supreme court had to rule they way they did.

 

[NorthKCHawk]

I think we have beat the NIL horse to death in previous strings. Some like it, some don't. KF's approach is consistent with how Iowa tends to view the world in general: change should be incremental.

I saw Texas just purchased Arch Manning. Interesting times.....

 

[ChosenChildren]

NIL sucks. It really does. College football needs to adopt the NFL model. End the charade.

 

[Hawkfnntn]

I think we have beat the NIL horse to death in previous strings. Some like it, some don't. KF's approach is consistent with how Iowa tends to view the world in general: change should be incremental.

I saw Texas just purchased Arch Manning. Interesting times.....

The ironic thing about that is if the NCAA agreed with that they had their chances over the last 30-40 yrs to have made those kind of steps. They can only blame themselves for this going down how it has. Personally I don't see how it could be incremental though. It's either a kid has the full rights to their NIL or none at all. I don't see how it can be restricted by the schools or NCAA. It was never theirs to have been restricting in the first place hence the ruling... That's how I see it anyway

 

[MelroseHawkins]

Here is my view and solution. I'm at the point where I'm fine with some players having some extra money to live or benefit off their skills, but when we are talking millions of dollars that is extreme. Listen, they ain't putting that worm back in the can. Now we have to deal with it.

I'm not sure where the NCAA is or how much a part of college sports the NCAA will be in the future, but there has to be some kind of governing body to monitor this stuff and really nail teams that cheat.

Here is the simplest and most fair way to handle this. You allow schools/universities to have a NIL budget account but limit the cap $$ for every school. Maybe the cap is different for the P5 schools vs the FCS (football) etc., but you keep a max for every school for that level. This could be easily governed and monitored with occasional audits. I'm sure you are thinking, well that won't work because schools have cheated in the past and and will just continue to cheat. Well, the governing body needs to have balls and severe consequences if a school is caught cheating and paying over their max. I'm talking SMU death penalty sanctions. If severe, that will curtail the cheating. No slapping the OSU, Kansas, Arizona's on the wrist. Nail them. Their future NIL $$$ are spread out to all other schools or lower division schools or a charity for 5 years and lose scholly's. That kind of nail.

So, what would this do. I see it benefiting on many levels.

1) The student athletes would get a nice yearly salary but not over the top as the schools would have to divide it among athletes. This may mean some athletes and in some sports may get more than others. Schools can do as they wish. This is easiest to audit if just auditing the max amount and not having to audit the distribution within a school. Some schools may choose to spend more NIL on football and some may choose to spend more on basketball such as Kansas if that is their cash cow. It's their choice. Maybe women's basketball players only get $5,000-$10,000 or softball $5,000. It is what it is.
2) The schools/universities would benefit by getting certain players they need for certain years, which can change. This would help with parity among teams.
3) This would help schools like Iowa, Wisconsin, Purdue, Iowa States of the world stay competitive. Maybe Ohio State U is 3 deep with 4-5 start talent at the tackle positions or WR positions. Those players might have a current NIL offer. A NIL offer for a current OSU tackle or WR recruit might not look so good at OSU for a few years because of the depth and current NIL distribution for that position. If that player is also a 4-5 star, maybe he goes to an Iowa or Wisconsin or something. Maybe NIL can actually help spread the players out a bit for parity if schools have a max to spend and they go somewhere they can get a more lucrative NIL deal and play right away.

This all only works if there is a max amount of NIL budget for a school. Having some schools be able to spend like the Yankees in baseball and others only being able to spend like the Pirates only causes more of a gap, and we end up with a minor league system, because those teams will just rape the transfer portal with extra funds.

 

[Hawkfnntn]

Here is my view and solution. I'm at the point where I'm fine with some players having some extra money to live or benefit off their skills, but when we are talking millions of dollars that is extreme. Listen, they ain't putting that worm back in the can. Now we have to deal with it.

I'm not sure where the NCAA is or how much a part of college sports the NCAA will be in the future, but there has to be some kind of governing body to monitor this stuff and really nail teams that cheat.

Here is the simplest and most fair way to handle this. You allow schools/universities to have a NIL budget account but limit the cap $$ for every school. Maybe the cap is different for the P5 schools vs the FCS (football) etc., but you keep a max for every school for that level. This could be easily governed and monitored with occasional audits. I'm sure you are thinking, well that won't work because schools have cheated in the past and and will just continue to cheat. Well, the governing body needs to have balls and severe consequences if a school is caught cheating and paying over their max. I'm talking SMU death penalty sanctions. If severe, that will curtail the cheating. No slapping the OSU, Kansas, Arizona's on the wrist. Nail them. Their future NIL $$$ are spread out to all other schools or lower division schools or a charity for 5 years and lose scholly's. That kind of nail.

So, what would this do. I see it benefiting on many levels.

1) The student athletes would get a nice yearly salary but not over the top as the schools would have to divide it among athletes. This may mean some athletes and in some sports may get more than others. Schools can do as they wish. This is easiest to audit if just auditing the max amount and not having to audit the distribution within a school. Some schools may choose to spend more NIL on football and some may choose to spend more on basketball such as Kansas if that is their cash cow. It's their choice. Maybe women's basketball players only get $5,000-$10,000 or softball $5,000. It is what it is.
2) The schools/universities would benefit by getting certain players they need for certain years, which can change. This would help with parity among teams.
3) This would help schools like Iowa, Wisconsin, Purdue, Iowa States of the world stay competitive. Maybe Ohio State U is 3 deep with 4-5 start talent at the tackle positions or WR positions. Those players might have a current NIL offer. A NIL offer for a current OSU tackle or WR recruit might not look so good at OSU for a few years because of the depth and current NIL distribution for that position. If that player is also a 4-5 star, maybe he goes to an Iowa or Wisconsin or something. Maybe NIL can actually help spread the players out a bit for parity if schools have a max to spend and they go somewhere they can get a more lucrative NIL deal and play right away.

This all only works if there is a max amount of NIL budget for a school. Having some schools be able to spend like the Yankees in baseball and others only being able to spend like the Pirates only causes more of a gap, and we end up with a minor league system, because those teams will just rape the transfer portal with extra funds.

That can be described for lots and lots of things but it's not about what seems extreme or excessive. It's about ones own right to find out what their value is. The market sets that.

By cheat are you referring to the tampering of kids that are signed? Because yes I'm not sure how that can be done/enforced but it should be a huge priority.

The rest of what you're describing is straight up socialism and turning the players into employees which they currently are not. NIL isn't just having the door cracked open for kids to get paid something decided upon by the schools or NCAA at all. It's a fundamental right the supreme court says we all have control of. And no coach AD or school administrator is to be monitoring /restricting it.

Now if a collective is in place that wants to dole out a pile of money spread out evenly amongst kids that's fine and dandy. But each kid can still go on to do their own things and get more too. It's not about fairness or parity amongst schools. I mean think about it. We don't go demanding that the scholarship values for each school/conferences be the same do we? Never have yet a scholarship to OSU is probably valued at significantly more then one to Rutgers is worth. Since parity amongst the value of scholarships isn't a thing or how much coaches are paid why on earth should it be a thing amongst the individual kids themselves?

 

[MelroseHawkins]

That can be described for lots and lots of things but it's not about what seems extreme or excessive. It's about ones own right to find out what their value is. The market sets that.

By cheat are you referring to the tampering of kids that are signed? Because yes I'm not sure how that can be done/enforced but it should be a huge priority.

The rest of what you're describing is straight up socialism and turning the players into employees which they currently are not. NIL isn't just having the door cracked open for kids to get paid something decided upon by the schools or NCAA at all. It's a fundamental right the supreme court says we all have control of. And no coach AD or school administrator is to be monitoring /restricting it.

Now if a collective is in place that wants to dole out a pile of money spread out evenly amongst kids that's fine and dandy. But each kid can still go on to do their own things and get more too. It's not about fairness or parity amongst schools. I mean think about it. We don't go demanding that the scholarship values for each school/conferences be the same do we? Never have yet a scholarship to OSU is probably valued at significantly more then one to Rutgers is worth. Since parity amongst the value of scholarships isn't a thing or how much coaches are paid why on earth should it be a thing amongst the individual kids themselves?

It can and should be regulated.

I explained how it can be regulated and explained the easiest way would be to cap the NIL budget for every school and audit them. I also explained that if found cheating, none of this slapping of the hands, and nail them where it hurts. Ya can't just give in and say cheating has always happen and not much can be done. There has to be some kind of system with regulations, and severe consequences for cheating.

College sports were supposed to be amateur, but that has gone away over time, and clearly it is not anymore. Again, the worm can't be put back in the can now. But, I don't think you can just allow a free for all as that is going to completely crush college sports and there will only be a half a dozen teams in each sport that will compete for a championship. The parity gap will get that skewed.

College sports absolutely is about parity and should be. Hell, the NFL, MLB and NBA strive for parity to.

And as far as you question or point about demanding scholarships for schools being the same, what are you talking about? They absolutely are the same for specific sports for each school, and for the division they are in.

Division Level	Number of Teams	Scholarships Limit Per Team
D1 – FBS	129	85
D1 – FCS	125	63
D2	170	36

Basketball = 13 scholarships

Not sure your point there.

Oh, and it's not straight up socialism. I explained in my post that the money probably wouldn't be distributed evenly. Football players and men's basketball would prob pay more because that is where the universities make most their revenue. It's not socialism. Dude, you should know me enough on here reading my posts to know I don't roll down that road. I'm all for capitalism. I'm Ok with college athletes getting paid but I think college sports should still somewhat be regulated to preserve what can be left of what used to be a good thing. College sports has lost its uniqueness and is now a glorified farm system.

I guarantee you most fans at some point are going to miss the way college sports used to be and the innocence it one had. It may not have been completely innocent over time, the the intention was at least there.

 

[Hawkfnntn]

It can and should be regulated.

I explained how it can be regulated and explained the easiest way would be to cap the NIL budget for every school and audit them. I also explained that if found cheating, none of this slapping of the hands, and nail them where it hurts. Ya can't just give in and say cheating has always happen and not much can be done. There has to be some kind of system with regulations, and severe consequences for cheating.

College sports were supposed to be amateur, but that has gone away over time, and clearly it is not anymore. Again, the worm can't be put back in the can now. But, I don't think you can just allow a free for all as that is going to completely crush college sports and there will only be a half a dozen teams in each sport that will compete for a championship. The parity gap will get that skewed.

College sports absolutely is about parity and should be. Hell, the NFL, MLB and NBA strive for parity to.

And as far as you question or point about demanding scholarships for schools being the same, what are you talking about? They absolutely are the same for specific sports for each school, and for the division they are in.

Division Level	Number of Teams	Scholarships Limit Per Team
D1 – FBS	129	85
D1 – FCS	125	63
D2	170	36

Basketball = 13 scholarships

Not sure your point there.

Oh, and it's not straight up socialism. I explained in my post that the money probably wouldn't be distributed evenly. Football players and men's basketball would prob pay more because that is where the universities make most their revenue. It's not socialism. Dude, you should know me enough on here reading my posts to know I don't roll down that road. I'm all for capitalism. I'm Ok with college athletes getting paid but I think college sports should still somewhat be regulated to preserve what can be left of what used to be a good thing. College sports has lost its uniqueness and is now a glorified farm system.

I guarantee you most fans at some point are going to miss the way college sports used to be and the innocence it one had. It may not have been completely innocent over time, the the intention was at least there.

So you're suggesting that a kid has to take whatever is allotted to them via a collective and that's it? They can't go get sponsorships of any kind be it a Nike deal or HyVee or Poncheros on their own? That won't fly it just won't. HyVee wants to sponsor Caitlyn Clark but not necessarily the whole team. Both Hyvee and Clark have the right to go into business together and the schools and the NCAA have no business intervening with it. Hence NIL...

I don't think it'll crush college sports. It'll be different yeah. But so what? Things change and nothing stays the same forever. Nostalgia only can keep things a certain way for so long.

My take on scholarships was the money value of each one being different. Not the amount of them given out. The value of a full ride to OSU is about $29k for out of state residents. It's not that at Rutgers or anywhere else they are all unique and different. They cover different things and are broke down a zillion different ways.

To be regulating and trying to cap what each individual can make and telling them they can't go make more via any other legal way they can is indeed against what was ruled.

Are you saying that the whole football team at Iowa gets the same thing but the womens hoops team wouldn't? Title IX would file against that sort of arrangement so fast... To even remotely sell that sort of thing would mean putting together a flat number for any and all kids. Walk ons too I doubt they could be left out. But again none of that would fly. It's been ruled it can't. But what do I know the court also over turned Roe V Wade just today so anythings possible.

 

[HaydenHawk56]

Simple (but not so simple from a capitalistic point of view):

1. Be age 21 before you can enter the draft or make professional money.

Then schools like Iowa get a heavy monkey off their backs in college arms race.

Fry to tell me I'm wrong in 5,4,3,2,1.........you don't need to Fry I understand your point of view and how this is limiting for the individual player and making money off their talents at any age. In fact I get that point. But, NIL and un-restricted age limits for schools like Iowa is bad for business if your goal is to ever win the big one.....or have a realistic shot at it unless you are very, very, very lucky.

 

[Hawkfnntn]

Simple (but not so simple from a capitalistic point of view):

1. Be age 21 before you can enter the draft or make professional money.

Then schools like Iowa get a heavy monkey off their backs in college arms race.

Fry to tell me I'm wrong in 5,4,3,2,1.........you don't need to Fry I understand your point of view and how this is limiting for the individual player and making money off their talents at any age. In fact I get that point. But, NIL and un-restricted age limits for schools like Iowa is bad for business if your goal is to ever win the big one.....or have a realistic shot at it unless you are very, very, very lucky.

As far as when you can go pro that's up to the pro leagues to make those rules for themselves. NBA has gone back and forth on it awhile now at different times. NFL says 3 yrs out of HS. There's talk the NBA will do away with the 1 yr wait thing again soon. Not add to it

But as far as making $ goes that's what the court has just ruled on. Schools can't prevent or restrict people from making $ with 3rd parties off their NIL. You're basically suggesting that the schools try and keep doing what they had been forever just let em start making $ their JR or SR yrs instead depending on when they turn 21? That won't fly either.

 

[InGoodCo]

Iowa's current class seems to indicate to me that NIL isn't much of an issue for their program. Is that sustainable? I don't know. Will there be a drop off? I don't know, but it feels like Iowa is still getting a lot of the guys they want at a notch of where they were 6 or 7 years ago.

 

[Hawkfnntn]

Iowa's current class seems to indicate to me that NIL isn't much of an issue for their program. Is that sustainable? I don't know. Will there be a drop off? I don't know, but it feels like Iowa is still getting a lot of the guys they want at a notch of where they were 6 or 7 years ago.

So far so good... Not to mention Iowa's had a pretty low transferring out rate of kids so far. It's so early into all this yet still that it's tough to make any judgements in regard to a future trend. Heck as you mentioned if anything Iowa's been doing better with recruiting then they had been.

 

[HaydenHawk56]

As far as when you can go pro that's up to the pro leagues to make those rules for themselves. NBA has gone back and forth on it awhile now at different times. NFL says 3 yrs out of HS. There's talk the NBA will do away with the 1 yr wait thing again soon. Not add to it

But as far as making $ goes that's what the court has just ruled on. Schools can't prevent or restrict people from making $ with 3rd parties off their NIL. You're basically suggesting that the schools try and keep doing what they had been forever just let em start making $ their JR or SR yrs instead depending on when they turn 21? That won't fly either.

Ya, it is not going to fly....but it is still bad for business if you are a school like Iowa and you are looking to try to make the program a championship level. It is that much harder (not impossible, but definitely harder to compete with the top teams) when college sports has turned into the pro-minor leagues with pay.

 

[HaydenHawk56]

Iowa's current class seems to indicate to me that NIL isn't much of an issue for their program. Is that sustainable? I don't know. Will there be a drop off? I don't know, but it feels like Iowa is still getting a lot of the guys they want at a notch of where they were 6 or 7 years ago.

I don't think it is when Ohio St and Michigan alumni and associates (or Alabama, LSU, etc) can offer millions upon millions to said recruits. There is only so much the Hy-Vee, car dealer, Iowa City Bail Bonds, or chicken shop can give to Iowa recruits. Of course, Blue-Hair Betty and Gretchen could always pony up more money instead giving a quarter to rub their backs.

Not that our state Alumni can't offer anything (we have our multi millionaires too of course) but compared to these other states and institutions it is like giving out a nice gift card vs a trust fund.

 

[okeefe4prez]

I don't think it is when Ohio St and Michigan alumni and associates (or Alabama, LSU, etc) can offer millions upon millions to said recruits. There is only so much the Hy-Vee, car dealer, Iowa City Bail Bonds, or chicken shop can give to Iowa recruits. Of course, Blue-Hair Betty and Gretchen could always pony up more money instead giving a quarter to rub their backs.

GAME. DAY. RON.