All-KF Team: QB

Who is the one QB from the KF-era you would choose to lead your team for a season?

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trj said:
I still go with a healthy CJB. Go to back to the 2015 B1G championship game, and the two throws to Tevaun Smith, the one he caught for a touchdown, and the one he lost in the lights. Other than maybe Stanley, KF has never had a QB that had the arm strength to make those type of throws. And CJB was playing at 70% in that game.

It is a no brainer to me.
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I get the thinking. But, what a lot of people seem to forget about that game is how absolutely putrid Iowa's offense was outside of that one massive bomb to Smith. CJ was not making plays with his feet and could not find open recievers. The run game was non-existent. The defense kept us in that game. Even after MSU scored the go ahead (right in front of my seats I might add), there was still 30 seconds left. The offense did nothing. All we needed was what, maybe 30 yards for a shot at a tie.

That all said, I agree that CJ had the strongest arm of the group and he could make plays with his legs. He had the whole package really, which is why he stuck in the NFL for a decade. But, for my money, no one made plays more than Tate. The guy could just will the football down the field.

But, its a close call for me. 1 and 1A. CJ was a stud.
 
NorthKCHawk said:
I get the thinking. But, what a lot of people seem to forget about that game is how absolutely putrid Iowa's offense was outside of that one massive bomb to Smith. CJ was not making plays with his feet and could not find open recievers. The run game was non-existent. The defense kept us in that game. Even after MSU scored the go ahead (right in front of my seats I might add), there was still 30 seconds left. The offense did nothing. All we needed was what, maybe 30 yards for a shot at a tie.

That all said, I agree that CJ had the strongest arm of the group and he could make plays with his legs. He had the whole package really, which is why he stuck in the NFL for a decade. But, for my money, no one made plays more than Tate. The guy could just will the football down the field.

But, its a close call for me. 1 and 1A. CJ was a stud.
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There was a play, right after the bomb to Smith, when MVB dusted a guy on a double-move. It probably would have been another long TD catch, but MSU's corner wisely tackled him, taking the penalty and saving a TD. That would have really changed the complexion of that game.
 
NorthKCHawk said:
I get the thinking. But, what a lot of people seem to forget about that game is how absolutely putrid Iowa's offense was outside of that one massive bomb to Smith. CJ was not making plays with his feet and could not find open recievers. The run game was non-existent. The defense kept us in that game. Even after MSU scored the go ahead (right in front of my seats I might add), there was still 30 seconds left. The offense did nothing. All we needed was what, maybe 30 yards for a shot at a tie.

That all said, I agree that CJ had the strongest arm of the group and he could make plays with his legs. He had the whole package really, which is why he stuck in the NFL for a decade. But, for my money, no one made plays more than Tate. The guy could just will the football down the field.

But, its a close call for me. 1 and 1A. CJ was a stud.
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CP87 said:
There was a play, right after the bomb to Smith, when MVB dusted a guy on a double-move. It probably would have been another long TD catch, but MSU's corner wisely tackled him, taking the penalty and saving a TD. That would have really changed the complexion of that game.
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What I remember from that game is Josey Jewell being absolutely tackled by an offensive lineman on the 4th-down and goal play. From the top view, it's blatantly obvious, and it prevented him from flowing to his left towards the ball-carrier. I'm not one to blame officiating, but that no-call was huge.
 
#1DieHardHawk said:
What I remember from that game is Josey Jewell being absolutely tackled by an offensive lineman on the 4th-down and goal play. From the top view, it's blatantly obvious, and it prevented him from flowing to his left towards the ball-carrier. I'm not one to blame officiating, but that no-call was huge.
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Oh I saw it live and I have seen the replay a dozen times. Let them decide it on the field is one thing. That was another. Its been a decade. I am close to being over it.
 
NorthKCHawk said:
Oh I saw it live and I have seen the replay a dozen times. Let them decide it on the field is one thing. That was another. Its been a decade. I am close to being over it.
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Someone post the video, because I remember it, but not vividly.
 

This angle doesn't show it as well as the angle directly above, but go to 2:51 - 2:53 and watch #75 for MSU. As Josey is disengaging and flowing left, #75 tackles him to the turf from behind and wraps up both legs.
 
I'm going with Beathard as my final answer. None of the guys we've had have had the total complete package top to bottom but CJB is the closest, IMO.
 
NorthKCHawk said:
I get the thinking. But, what a lot of people seem to forget about that game is how absolutely putrid Iowa's offense was outside of that one massive bomb to Smith. CJ was not making plays with his feet and could not find open recievers. The run game was non-existent. The defense kept us in that game. Even after MSU scored the go ahead (right in front of my seats I might add), there was still 30 seconds left. The offense did nothing. All we needed was what, maybe 30 yards for a shot at a tie.

That all said, I agree that CJ had the strongest arm of the group and he could make plays with his legs. He had the whole package really, which is why he stuck in the NFL for a decade. But, for my money, no one made plays more than Tate. The guy could just will the football down the field.

But, its a close call for me. 1 and 1A. CJ was a stud.
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You are forgetting that the 2 years he was the full-time starter, he only played at near 100%…maybe 5 games. The other games, including the B1G championship game, he was playing at 70-75%. He had a bad groin in the B1G championship game, he couldn’t move.
 
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Fryowa said:
I'm going with Beathard as my final answer. None of the guys we've had have had the total complete package top to bottom but CJB is the closest, IMO.
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When healthy.

The 2 years he was the full-time starter, he was playing at 70-75% for most of them. The Greg Davis horizontal passing game often left both tackles exposed, where it allowed a battered and beat up CJB to get smoked everytime he went back to pass. No Iowa quarterback under the KF era had to deal with that.
 
CP87 said:
There was a play, right after the bomb to Smith, when MVB dusted a guy on a double-move. It probably would have been another long TD catch, but MSU's corner wisely tackled him, taking the penalty and saving a TD. That would have really changed the complexion of that game.
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Max Bullough had an illegal hit on George Kittle in the back of the end zone, that should have been called then, and definitely would be called now. If that call is made, they have the ball 1st and goal, and they go up 7-0, instead of 3-0.
 
trj said:
When healthy.

The 2 years he was the full-time starter, he was playing at 70-75% for most of them. The Greg Davis horizontal passing game often left both tackles exposed, where it allowed a battered and beat up CJB to get smoked everytime he went back to pass. No Iowa quarterback under the KF era had to deal with that.
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I get where you’re coming from, but it’s not like you’d pick a guy for how he performed when he was hurt. It’s kind of assumed that the choice is based on how they played healthy.
 
Fryowa said:
I get where you’re coming from, but it’s not like you’d pick a guy for how he performed when he was hurt. It’s kind of assumed that the choice is based on how they played healthy.
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But its how he played when healthy is how he got himself hurt. Beathard was reckless and that's why he got hurt. So in the end the result was the same. Either voluntarily limit your mobility so you dont get hurt, or get hurt and then have no choice to limit your mobility, if you can play at all.

Stanley may have been the equivalent of a statue in the backfield but he never got hurt. Even with all the QB sneaks he had. Stanley's durability was one of his strong points.
 
guffus said:
But its how he played when healthy is how he got himself hurt. Beathard was reckless and that's why he got hurt. So in the end the result was the same. Either voluntarily limit your mobility so you dont get hurt, or get hurt and then have no choice to limit your mobility, if you can play at all.

Stanley may have been the equivalent of a statue in the backfield but he never got hurt. Even with all the QB sneaks he had. Stanley's durability was one of his strong points.
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I'd rather have the intangibles that CJB, Stanzi, and Tate had any day of the week. Stanley never won a single big game in his career other than OSU way back when he was a sophomore. Grit and toughness and leadership rub off on the entire team and Nate was not that type of guy who'd put himself on the line to win a game. You can have all the stats in the world but you also have to have ice in your veins. MG would've been right up there with those three guys if he had a couple more years to cook.

Those big stats Stanley also put up were mostly against dog shit B1G west teams which he beat like clockwork.
 
CP87 said:
You definitely see it on the slow mo...if I was an MSU fan, and they called that on the game-winning TD, I would have been upset. Not the most egregious no-call I have seen.
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But there is no way that the fans would be able to argue it after seeing the replays. If Josey had not been tackled from behind, it is highly probable Scott wouldn't have been able to lunge into the endzone. That singular play was the difference between a B1G championship and a loss.

Considering the moment and the stakes, that's about as egregious as it gets. Perhaps not as obvious as some are in the moment, but definitely egregious.
 
Josey had both arms around the RB in the backfield until the OL clipped him full body from behind allowing the RB to break away from Jewell and then the RB made an incredible play to get into the endzone.

Is it the most egregious call? No. Goal line. A lot of bodies in a tight area. A lot of shit does not get called in the phone booth. But, that absolutely should have been called and no fan who knows anything about football would contest it was a clip or a hold or both.
 
#1DieHardHawk said:
But there is no way that the fans would be able to argue it after seeing the replays. If Josey had not been tackled from behind, it is highly probable Scott wouldn't have been able to lunge into the endzone. That singular play was the difference between a B1G championship and a loss.

Considering the moment and the stakes, that's about as egregious as it gets. Perhaps not as obvious as some are in the moment, but definitely egregious.
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It was 3rd down, though.
 
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